I know its an endless debate. I know the whole 'Goa vs Pilani' routine has been done to death already. But I've got this issue raging on inside my head for a couple of days now and I've got to get it out of my system. So here are my two cents.
Let me state the facts first. Facts that I, and for that matter, 95% of all the people in BITS Goa agree with.
1) Pilani is a 50 year old college
2) Pilani is, right now, a better college than Goa.
3) Pilani has its own wonderfull traditions and blah blah
4) We (BITS Goa) have the 11 o'clock hostel rule, which sucks more than a prostitute on cocaine ever can.
5) We are completely aware of ALL the above mentioned facts and do NOT need to be told of them again and again.
So now I get down to what irks me the most. THe perception of BITS Goa, that people hold. I know that ideally, one shouldn't give a crap as to what people think and all that jazz, but well...it becomes difficult to take all the shit after a while. We've got people writing on the forums that I chose 'Mata Harikrishna College' over BITS Goa, because of 'the place' (read: goa). :| 'The place' it seems. Its ironic isn't it? One would think that Goa, being such a bad bad place, would be on the 'please-do-not-go-there-unless-you-plan-to-sell-your-children-to-the-pimps' list of all the governments. But surprise surprise! It ISN'T. It's a bloody major tourist destination.
So why are parents actually afraid of sending their kids to our college?! Seriously, arn't they aware that their kids are somewhere in the top 10,000 of the country's best? And in India, where 3-4 lakh ppl compete for the best engineering seats, that qualifies them as Super NErds! Do they then, think that those very same nerds, whose sexual fantasies are limited to Irodov coming and solving physics problems in their dreams, nerds who get orgasmic at the sight of HC Verma (The Book :|) , will reach Goa and take up smoking pot as soon as their planes touches the Panjim airport tarmac?? 18 years of the so called moral values that have been zabardasti forced into the kids' heads, will all be brainwashed away because of the 'place' ? You have GOT to be kidding me. It sounds like a case of parents being insecure about their own parenting abilities rather than their ward being a dumass.
Not that the students are any smarter. Its a matter of YOUR career dammit. Don't join NIT Bhopal because your paanwalah said it was good. For that matter, don't join BITS Goa because I say its good. Read up on the colleges. Use the internet once in a while for things not related to porn. Talk to people. Talk to seniors. Get their feedback. Take everything in from everybody and then base your decision on what YOU know. Not what your chacha knows. For once, fuck what everyone else says. Do what you think is right. I chose Goa over Pilani. Maybe its a good decision, maybe its not. But that I'll know only after my 5 years. I took a faisla and I stuck to it. I'd suggest you do the same too.
Now, I move on to the next part of the post, which basically concerns BITS Pilani. I've been going through a couple of blogs that belong to the pilani people and the orkut community that they run. What struck me immediately was, how condescending their attitude towards us was. I mean, of all the people out there, you'd atleast expect the Pilani guys to support us. But they are pretty much like the rest of the know-it-all idiots who strut around twiddling their thumbs to make themselves feel busy and important.
Lemme list some of the things that I've read. 'You can never be BITS Pilani' they say. One guy said '...first thing that they should learn is that students at BITS-Pilani at least, do not give a damn about comparisions....we know what we are and what status we enjoy..'. Another smart alec went 'everyone should try to create that unique culture,rather than wasting time on comparing.'
First things first. We DO NOT want to be BITS Pilani. We'd like to someday become as good a college as Pilani is, but we certainly dont want to be them! If I'd wanted that, I would have painted my nipples white and walked around wearing pink satin panties.
Status?STATUS? Have you ever stood next to an IITian? People would cut off their legs and take them home as souvenirs if they could. THAT is status. So thats not status that you're enjoying.Its a case of mistaken identity at best. :|
Create a unique culture? Heck we have a unique culture! We'r lying dead drunk on the beaches every other sunday. That sounds like culture to me!
For more such crap read this :http://trikha.blogspot.com/2008/06/bits-herald-stop-comparing.html . Its amazing how the guy has taken two-three lines completely out of context and then gone on to blame and curse BITS Goa for everything short of the Influenza pandemic of 1918. Don't forget to read the two awesome anonymous comments at the bottom,.
EDIT: I just rememberd that I've added 'cross eyed homosexual monsters' in the tags but havn't written anything about them. So here goes :
Jayant Rajan.
There.Done.
How khoo is this? eh? :) :|
15 years ago
13 comments:
Lemme just start off by saying i love most things about our college and wouldnt change a thing(all right,a thing or two maybe ,but nothing that has any bearing on this post)
Bits PILANI -goa campus.
'nuff said.
(ill elaborate anyway )
first of all,if you want a college that dosent live in the shadow of pilani,get the pilani tag the fuck outta the name.Whats in a name?? A LOT. a fucking lot.No much how much i choose to pretend to ignore it,it does piss the hell outta me when i meet people who havent heard of bits goa.Its disgraceful that the vit's ,the srm's and the amities(ffs) are better known that bpgc.
And if anyones going to say stuff like "oh,yes,we dont need to whore ourselves around like amity",good'nuff,its just maddening that these same people (mostly bitsgians(fuck,thats a lame term for students of our college)) whine about how bpgc isnt popular enough.Fucking whiners.
BITSians as a rule (both pilani and goa people) are a lil....well,arrogants a strong word,all right,big headed,and to be honest,i dont really think thats totally a bad thing,they DO have the right to be proud,for obvious reasons.And i know a couple of pilani people who are actually very nice otherwise(people from dav,actually) who are VERY nice people,but who are fucking pigheaded about how "Bits pilani is miles ahead of Bits goa".Look,the only people from pilani who diss goa are the ones who know fuck all about it(Which,admittedly,is a lot of them),and i really couldnt give less of a shit about their opinion ,in that case.
Indian kids as a rule are brainwashed zombies,its too obvious for me to even go into.
To be honest,if these kids cant be arsed to look up these colleges online(its impossible to underestimate how big an effect bits360/bitszone had on the few who did come across it,its unbelievably massive),interact with seniors,all those things you said,if they arent prepared to put that much effort into deciding what college they go to,id much rather they fuck off to nit bhopal,thank you very much
What is it with you and pink underwear??On second thought,i dont want to know ;)
And the lnk you provided,well,hes just another typical ignorant pilani dude( though i gotta say,the wording of the living conditions,the whole"in terms of the atmosphere and the living conditions, it would be safe to say that Goa is way ahead of Pilani. ",is very unnecessary,atleast theres no need to put it so explicitly.Amidst the vortex of stupidity that is that post,one has to admit that the goa people need to stop feeling the need to constantly compare ourselves to pilani,its unnecessary,it isnt constructive most of the time ,and its more of a hindrance than anything.
Holy shit,did i just type that??
There there! *Pats on back*
Just read the whole post by that Pilani guy. lol.
Instead of actually helping us remove doubts about Goa, they instead love to ruin our image further. What great affection they have!
Anyway was fun to read all this. For more shit like this, go check the BITS360 Forum (Or even better, go on GoIIT Forums!!) :D
See, first off, you can't generalize. It is this very generalization that leads to misconceptions, be it Goa or Pilani.
I saw akhil khunger (with an avatar of him wearing shades at night with the tubelight on, may i add) post on goIIT that Goa is better than Pilani. Then we have armchair pundits claiming to better than Pilani just coz our techfest had a higher budget. That is just fucking stupid, if you ask me. That sort of shit tarnishes BPGC's reputation, coz the Pilani guys then GENERALIZE and think we're egoistic self obsessed maniacs who just compare ourselves with Pilani all the time (which all of us are not doing).
On the other hand, we can't base our opinions of what Pilani thinks of us on the basis of 2-3 blog posts. I know people in Pilani who tell me that there's no such indifference or hatred for Goa.
One malaise with most to-be-engineers-from-good-colleges is that they think they've conquered the world just by clearing an entrance exam. They think it's a licensed superiority complex. Other aspects of one's personality be damned. Personally, I think this kind of attitude just SUCKS. I know equally talented people who just weren't lucky or 'nerdy' enough (one guy, better scores than me, if not for 79.8% in PCM, he would have easily been in BITS. He's in Manipal now. Another is in some local Mumbai college, but is a coding god. They're thinking on the lines of google code jam, and they're VERY talented, published worldwide on security zines etc, and a hundred such examples). Also, we (entrance exam clearing junta) tend to think that people who just get high marks in board exams and don't clear entrances are 'dumb'. Is it somebody's fault if he CHOSE not to commit 2 years of his life down a shady street in Kalu Sarai doing IIT coaching/or training himself for entrances by other means? We weren't born with the skills to solve kleppner of kolenkow. We learnt it. If somebody gave up while trying to learn it, or chose not to learn it, they aren't dumb. They just didn't choose to learn it. You can't call somebody dumb just because he chose not to study science, or train himself for these exams. While I do agree that board marking doesn't reflect one's true skill in the subject, and it can be arbitrary at times, looking down on them is not doing to do any good. They are the ones who go to St Stephens, NUS, and previously, BITS too, and they too make it big in life. The irony is that we love to boast about our BITS alumni (ignoring the fact that they too did well in the board exams).. This attitude is very sad, and it is prevalent among us, Pilani, IIT, DCE, NSIT, and any other decent college worth its salt. This whole aura of 'superiority' is deep rooted in the fact that you belong to the top 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10 thousand out of 3-4 lac students in the country (this number is burgeoning too, AIEEE was 7 lac or something). However, we don't realise one fact. 90% of science students take these exams, and most take these exams just for the fuck of it, without any preparation whatsoever. I think at 0 marks in AIEEE, your rank would be 1.5 lac (i've heard this number). So the 3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 lac you are competing with aren't exactly 'competitive', you're competing with maybe around 50-60K students, so you can stop bragging about that high selectivity rate compared to MIT etc, because unlike in india where every tom dick and harry appear for these exams, people who apply to MIT are usually much more interested in engineering/have better scores (ON AN AVERAGE). Obviously, some are naturally gifted, and they generally stand out of the crowd due to their achievements, not the college they study in. Yes you can say that IIT>BITS>NIT, but only if you consider the institutes. If people start claiming to be better and superior SOLELY on the basis of which college they study in, them i'm afraid, its just an inflated ego which will go bust sometime soon.
I know a genius, this guy represented India at the maths olympiad. He got a JEE rank of 3000 (doing CS at ISM dhanbad). If you apply this my college is better than yours theory, he shouldn't be doing as well as say, somebody from IIT B CS, right? Guess what? He is now interning in CERN (Yes the same organisation you read about in Dan Brown's books, the same organisation which built that huge particle collidor you saw on discovery).
There was a survey which came in HT some months ago - it said that there were more DU grads in teh silicon valley than IITians. We must also blame the media for this demi god status that 'engineers from good colleges' in India have. Inflated avg salaries, dubious methods of calculating avg salary (this happens at IIMs too), stupid retarded media coverage of this bullshit is responsible for this to an extent too.
My point is that YOU and what YOU do matters much more than your college. Your college can only provide you with an environment.
There are the IITians you don't see on TV, who slog 12 hours a day at infosys getting a meagre 12K a month. There are NITians in Stanford too. That doesn't mean NIT is better than IIT. Neither does it mean that all IITians are better than NITians. We are good, no doubt, but maybe not as good as we think. We think we're too good. that's the problem. There's a high level of immaturity prevailing among students from the so called good colleges of India. That must be got rid of. Also, I must add that a lot of this 'brandname' bullshit is thanks to the incredibly stupid indian media coverage which convert dollar salaries into rupees without considering PPP conversion (for eg 100,000 USD might be equal to 10-12 lac INR by PPP). The 'brand' isn't as much as it is made out to be. I know IITians and grads from other good colleges abroad, they tell me this.
My friends in the US tell me that people are respected there for their work, rather than which college they go to. Also, there are hardly any flame wars between people from different colleges, rising from chauvinistic 'patriotism' for their college. A researcher in Ohio State Uni is given the same respect as a researcher in MIT, and it is possible that OSU will have better research facilities than MIT in certain fields. You wont find them slandering each other on orkut communities (which I might add is not exactly the best palce to have an intellectually stimulating discussion).
Also, if you notice, mature people who've made it big never indulge in such debates. There are Pilani Alumni coming to Goa and helping students out. There's BITS2MSPhD and BITS2BSchool helping students out from all 4 campuses of BITS. Akash.bits told us on bits360 that BITS2MSPhD was proud of the high number of MS admits from Goa. I don't think any of them would resort to slandering or saying Goa suXxXx PilAnI is t3H sHiT3!!
In slightly mature discussions,
there is camaraderie between people from all colleges. The emphasis is the work they are doing. I've seen IITians write - 'I respect my BITSian/NITian companions for their work on XYZ'.
Coming back to the Pilani vs Goa debate, obviously Pilani is better off in terms of academic facilities. It is perfectly acceptable if somebody says "Pilani has XYZ benefit over Goa because ABC" Rational logical stuff. However, it gets downright pissing off when somebody says, "Pilani is miles ahead of Goa, because I KNOW IT, MY DADDY TOLD ME SO!!!1!1!ONE1!!!! WE KNOW WAT WE ARE, YOU SuXXxX0RzZ LuLzZzZ" Shit like that is mostly ego fuelled and stems from the superiority complex i spoke about, which was the case with that fuckwit bin-it, and to an extent trikha. The manner in which Pilani is better than Goa is said is pissing off.....because its ego fueled, not because Pilani has XYZ lab. Those 'culture' comments were uncalled for. Just because we didn't write about how our 'culture' is different from Pilani, they assumed it to be Pilani inspired? What 'faith based silly notions' about Pilani?!!? The climate and rooms etc are better at Goa (even though that line in the BITS herald was uncalled for), but kill me if i say that Goa is better than Pilani because of that.
Also, when they say that Goa isn't BITS Pilani, that we live under their shadow, they forget one thing - the UNIVERSITY is called BITS PILANI. That is why we are BITS Pilani Goa and not BITS Goa. We didn't choose to be called BITS Pilani Goa. The BITS administration did. BITS Pilani is a registered deemed university under the UGC, that's why we are called BITS Pilani honey, not because we wanted to. So stop accusing Goa of not being BITS Pilani. We have Pilani in our name thanks to the uni's name, which again is thanks to the university's registered name in the UGC. Its the UGC, stupid! We rightfully claim to be a part of the BITS Pilani university. We do not claim to be the Pilani campus. That should answer their 'you are not BITS Pilani' assumption.
Also, when Goa's achievements are blatantly overlooked/ignored, it sucks. I mean, we're supposed to be BITSians, same university and all that shite... why not be proud of each other's achievements? And goa students do have a long list of achievements. Some was posted by ravemzdin on bits360.
It is best if we ignore this bullshit, because being a part of BPGC, you get accustomed to this. It doesn't affect you anymore, after a point.If some retarded aspirant chooses IP uni over BITS Goa, he doesn't deserve to come to BITS anyway! That sounds arrogant, but if you dont have the sense to log on to the internet, do a little research, speak to the right people and not go by the opinion your fat 45 year old neighbour, you dont deserve to be here! We are doing our bit anyway! BITS 360 is working to popularise BITS, dual degrees, etc. We can't spoonfeed them by going door to door asking 12th pass retards to join BITS instead of NIT. You need 2 hands to clap. And it this case, their hand needs our hand more. We've extended our hand, its their benefit if they decide to clap. See the threads on GoIIT and you'll realise how retarded most of the queries there are. You'll realise that most people haven't looked outside their entrance exam books. We aren't begging for those retarded aspirants, anyway.
PS : I chose Goa over Pilani. I would have got Eco Pilani too. I didn't freeze my campus, my pref form had Goa above Pilani baebeh! I knew all the facts (incl Pilani>Goa) while taking my decision...also future plans didn't involve placement, so I didn't have to worry about that.
PPS : Still, it would be good if the university was renamed to BITS from BITS Pilani. It's a bit odd when you say youre from BITS Pilani Goa Campus, and I for one, would like it to be BITS Goa.
@anmol
umm....that post is really....long.
and generally
honestly, the deabte isn't worth it.
@lakshmy - yes it is long. I too feel that the Pilani vs Goa debate isn't worth it. However, that is one small aspect of my post. I strongly feel about the condescending attitude some to-be-engineers-from-good-colleges harbour towards others.. that's why the rant.
Yeah,lets gain some perspective here,people,lets focus on whats REALLY important
My pinkie hurts
@sagar and anmol -wtf man, you ppl have started your own blogs in my comments section :P :P
@Anmol - "his whole aura of 'superiority' is deep rooted in the fact that you belong to the top 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10 thousand out of 3-4 lac students in the country (this number is burgeoning too, AIEEE was 7 lac or something). However, we don't realise one fact. 90% of science students take these exams, and most take these exams just for the fuck of it, without any preparation whatsoever. I think at 0 marks in AIEEE, your rank would be 1.5 lac (i've heard this number). So the 3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 lac you are competing with aren't exactly 'competitive', you're competing with maybe around 50-60K students"
I dont agree. Firstly, I dont think you can generalize the superiority complex thing. I've met very few engg guys who have this 'complex'. In fact, its the other way around. The so called 'nerds' and 'geeks' are generally treated like shit. So even if some of them do go on to think themselves superior later on, it's only a fair reaction. You treat me like shit when you're on top, I treat you the same when its my turn.
2ndly, you may not be competing with the 3 lac ppl, but they sure as hell are always right behind your ass, waiting for you to slip up. Maybe not all the 3 lacs, but definitely not 60000 as u said.The number should be around 1.5-2. Also, I know for a fact that a score of around 30-40 got a rank of 3.sumthing lakhs the year we gave our entrances. My cousin got that rank :D
You in pink satin silk panties? How about I'd prefer Lizzie Borden hacking me to death? :)
Sorry, didn't reply to your facebook wall post,but I was in Delhi only for a day.
About this post, thank you so much for showing you guys don't care two hoots about the shit these people write. We worked very hard on the issue, and I was really angry about the fact that this guy picked out two lines, and made a huge debate about it. I was especially incensed for picking on the DC (I wrote the damn article).DC is normally present in residential colleges like the IIT's, Nit's, BITS, and some aspirants wanted comparison with local colleges, so Dc seemed like a good point.
In the words of a Pilani senior-Instead of nurturing Goa, some people have the attitude "We're Pilani". Dickheads like him don't go far.
@nishant - I did not generalize. I mentioned that 'some' engineers have that attitude. even if i slipped up somewhere and wrote all engineers, i meant 'some' engineers, not all. I've seen this attitude in many people. You can't deny it. maybe we can't accurately estimate it, but the number is large.
Also, I was talking about the attitude of engineers who haven't achieved much - the ones who've just cleared entrances. In other words, people who don't deserve to possess that 'superiority' complex.
It is ok if an achiever thinks that way, he has a right to (even if it is not exactly pleasing to others)
I was talking about the rank at 0 marks in AIEEE 2006, not 2007. Anyway, I'm not quite sure about the numbers, it was put there solely to illustrate my point - that of 'some' engineers thinking too much of themselves just for clearing an entrance exam. that was the focal point ofmy post.
My pinkie,my poor,poor pinkie
:|
Wow! You guys are phodus! Nice posts all round. Its nice to others who care about 'BITS Goa'. I've always signed on emails, written addresses, etc, etc with the words 'BITS Goa' on it. The aim here is not to do a throw-egg-at-Pilani thing. I'm not concerned about what the Pilani chaps do; I'm more interested in seeing that Goa secures its rightful place in the IIT/BITS/NIT melee.
Hey there, random stranger. I happen to be another victim of this Goa vs Pilani dilemma. YOur post, and comments were helpful. Thanks :)
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